Agenda and draft minutes

The Chair welcomed everyone to the meeting.

None.

The record of the last meeting was confirmed as an accurate record subject to the removal of duplicated names in the list of those present.

Matters arising

i)                 EAS slides: At the previous meeting comments and amendments were invited.  CC Brown had sent some comments but had not received feedback to date.  The RVE Adviser confirmed that the slides will be amended to reflect the comments received for both the general set and the specific set for Monmouthshire schools.  It was agreed that the amended draft slides will be circulated to SAC and that they will be reviewed by the Solicitor.

It was reported that there are vacancies as follows:

Church in Wales

Roman Catholic Church

Free Church (2)

Jewish Faith

Hindu Faith

Buddist Faith

Sikh Faith

Non-religious philosophical conviction

Teacher representatives (6)

Unfortunately, the Head of Achievement and Extended Services was unable to attend the meeting but had provided a brief update that the SAC Membership report to Council has been through Business Cabinet and will be going to the next available full Council.  The report includes nominees representing the Free Church Council, Non-Religious Philosophical Conviction and Teachers.

A Member commented that some people who have expressed an interest in joining SAC have unsatisfactorily had to wait a very long time to be appointed.  It was agreed that having more Members approved will assist with the future quorum of meetings.

Noting that there is a SAC Recruitment Panel following today’s meeting to consider a representative of the Roman Catholic Church, it was urged that the nomination if approved could be added to the report.

The RVE Adviser reported on the wide range of professional learning that had taken place over the last term, such as:

·        Teaching in RVE:  This has consisted of two sessions and has been open to all schools. A few Monmouthshire primary schools attended including faith schools (good to link with these).

·        Pedagogy: This course looked at different approaches to the new curriculum and consideration of planning for progression within it.  From that, a RVE group has been established and the first session with primary school teachers will take place in the summer term to consider what progression looks like.  Trellech primary school and another school have done some mini projects and it is hoped they will provide feedback to show some progression throughout the schools. They looked at things like Christmas, Easter and are moving on to bigger concepts such as forgiveness etc.

·        The final Philosophy for Children session has been completed. Many schools have undertaken this training and it will be interesting to see how that translates to the classroom.

·        Work has started on Godly Play from a faith-based approach.  In common with Philosophy for Children this focuses on asking the big questions with faith stories of parable as opposed to a generic discussion.

·        There has been some training on updates in RVE for head teachers and briefings for collective worship which have been well attended.

·        Also there have been general network meetings and a start will be made to look at literacy within RVE in the summer term.

GCSE Religious Studies | Made for Wales

Discussion around Sample Assessment Materials (SAMs)

The RVE Adviser explained that the new GCSE specification has been published in its entirety by the WJEC.  Available on its website it includes consultation findings, option evening materials to help schools with promotion, sample assessment materials (SAMs) and guidance for teachers.  The new specification is for delivery from September 2025.

There are changes to the way questions are asked and there are two non-examined elements. The WJEC asserts that the content is similar to the legacy curriculum but there is no teaching about war. 

Twelve national Professional Learning events have been held to promote the new GCSE and to provide staff training.  There will be further training in the summer term.

Within the specification, schools typically choose Christianity and one other religion. Caldicot Comprehensive School has chosen Christianity and Judaism. Monmouth and King Henry VIII Comprehensive Schools have chosen Christianity and Hinduism. Chepstow School does not offer GCSE RVE.

Schools studying similar choices will work together to share resources. 

Regarding assessment, exams will last an hour and 15 minutes and there are two exams.  The RVE Adviser provided examples of the range and types of questions that increase in complexity and the marks available.  She explained about the non-examined elements.

A SAC Member commented that teachers have raised concerns that they wanted to continue with the with the legacy GCSE at the same time, and training. It was agreed that SAC needs to think about pressures on teachers in the transition period, especially in view of the small numbers of RVE specialists.  Schools, aided by the EAS, across the region and Wales will be encouraged to network to create and share resources and to discuss and support on the non-examined assessment. 

Referring to the change in content and focus, a SAC Member asked if the expansion of non-religious perspectives has been flagged as a concern by teachers e.g. human rights issues, LGBTQ plus rights, gender equality, refugee rights etc, also new topics on relationships and family ethics. It was confirmed that no teachers have come forward with any specific concerns yet.  Historically, these subjects have always been taught.  The information has only been published for a few weeks so teachers will need time to digest the contents and to consider its delivery.  It would be useful to revisit the content and delivery at the next meeting.

In response to a question, the RVE Adviser confirmed that the new specification will definitely not be postponed and the expectation is that teaching will begin in September 2025.  The Chair agreed to raise a question at his next meeting with WJEC.

https://www.bangor.ac.uk/sites/default/files/2024-09/report-RVE.pdf

The RVE Adivser explained that Bangor University had produced a report on teaching RVE in schools in Wales. The report identified some positives such as making RVE mandatory between ages 3-16 and the integration of RVE into the Humanities area of learning and experience providing the opportunity to connect RVE with e.g. History and Geography.

The report also raised concerns such as compliance issues over schools not meeting the minimum legal requirements for RVE teaching across key stages 3 and 4, limited resources including Welsh resources, some challenges in teaching methodologies and support/training given to teachers to make sure the quality of RVE education is adequate.

There were questions raised around whether teachers had a good understanding of the distinction between RVE now in comparison to the former religious education, in terms of content and how it should be taught.

It was commented that, in some schools, RVE was not taught as a discrete subject but integrated into the broader Humanities curriculum, which is fine, but it was possible that the allocation of time and the importance given to RVE compared to the other Humanities subjects was diminished.

WASACRE responded with concerns about the way that the survey was conducted accepting that it raised some valid points.  It was noted that the scope of the research was based on 45 mainly secondary schools in Wales, but there was no clarity how the schools were selected or how the responses were given.  It was further discovered that the report was based on a Facebook survey. It was possible that claims of inadequate RVE provision weren't aligning with the experiences of other schools and regions.

There was little acknowledgement that RVE in Wales only applied up to year 7 and 8 at the time of the research yet asked schools about RVE from year 7 to 9.

It was suggested that professional learning was lacking outside of one specific local authority and only one university was giving high quality RVE support.  However, all schools are being supported to network and share resources and opportunities, and events and professional learning offered by EAS and other consortia to schools including bespoke sessions were not acknowledged.

(3.43pm - Revd, J. Greaves left the meeting, which was adjourned for 10 minutes. Noting that there was no Faith and Belief representative remaining, the Solicitor checked the terms of reference and the Council Constitution regarding quorum. Whilst the practice of the SAC has been that the quorum requires a member from each representative group (Councillors, Faith and Belief and Teachers), the terms of reference do not actually state that that there is a compulsory quorum in terms of there being somebody present from each group.  This being so, the generic provision in the Constitution would apply that the quorum of the meeting will be one quarter of the whole number of Members. Given there were a quarter of the whole number of Members present it was agreed to proceed.)

A Member commented that the report highlighted a lack  ...  view the full minutes text for item 8.

The Teacher Voice Project: RVE in the Curriculum for Wales

The RVE Adviser explained that there is a new Curriculum for Wales project focusing on Teacher Voice.  Teachers working with students ages 3 to 16 across Wales are encouraged to answer a Questionnaire on the implementation, delivery and support they need to ensure that RVE is a positive experience for both teachers and the pupils in schools.  It is hoped to obtain a broad and balanced viewpoint.

The study is being led by researchers from St Giles Centre, Bishop Grosseteste University, Cardiff Metropolitan University, Neath Port Talbot Education Support and Llanishen High School working in collaboration with WASACRE and SACs.

Participants are asked to complete a voluntary, anonymous 25 to 30 minutes survey about their experiences with RVE.  It is hoped that the findings will be shared with all educational bodies, WASACRE/SACs, local authorities and Welsh Government to support further curriculum development and professional development.

A Member commented that it was noteworthy that the universities mentioned are linked to the executive officers of WASACRE as opposed to a totally independent university and this should be borne in mind when considering outcomes.

It was confirmed that the universities have to adhere to a strict code of ethics when undertaking research.

A SAC Member noted that there is a view that Christianity is declining but that, across Wales, 1.4 million people still identif as Christian. Whilst a similar number had no religion, it is not known what those who had no religion believed.

The Member reminded that SACs are locally based and it’s important to know that e.g. in Monmouthshire, there are more people identifying as having a Christian faith as opposed to some other local authorities.  In relation to non-religious beliefs, it is possible that some non-religious philosophical convictions may exaggerate numbers in the local population. The Member suggested that it was important for schools to know what the actual numbers are to compare them with the rest of Wales.  It was agreed that this information can be sent out to schools. 

1.     WASACRE business

                 i.          To receive and note draft minutes from the WASACRE virtual meeting November 2024. (attached)

                ii.          To note dates of future WASACRE meetings and confirm representation:

·       Spring Meeting – Virtual on 6^th March 2025 , 10.30am (agenda attached)

              iii.          Nominations for new members of the WASACRE Executive Committee - Monmouthshire SAC’s representative’s term of office ending. (Papers attached).

              iv.          Important information from WASACRE:

·       E mail from A.Parry/L.Jones.

·       Letter to Chair of WASACRE.

·       Expenditure: WASACRE Conference – June 2024.

·       Adnodd and Miller Research Correspondence.

·       SACRE Annual Reports.

·       Revised draft Code of Conduct for WASACRE.

                 i.          To receive and note draft minutes from the WASACRE virtual meeting November 2024. (attached)

The minutes were received and noted.

                ii.          To note dates of future WASACRE meetings and confirm representation:

The date of the Spring Meeting – Virtual on 6^th March 2025 , 10.30am was noted.

              iii.          Nominations for new members of the WASACRE Executive Committee - Monmouthshire SAC’s representative’s term of office ending. (Papers attached).

Voting in separate groups, it was resolved to nominate County Councillor Rachel Buckler for election to membership of WASACRE Executive Committee.

              iv.          Important information from WASACRE:

·       E mail from A.Parry/L.Jones – This was noted.

·       Letter to Chair of WASACRE– This was noted.

·       Expenditure: WASACRE Conference – June 2024– This was noted.

·       Adnodd and Miller Research Correspondence– This was noted.

·       SACRE Annual Reports– This was noted.

·       Revised Draft Code of Conduct for WASACRE:  Members noted the revised draft code of conduct for WASACRE and discussed if it was necessary for WASACRE to have a code of conduct because councillors have their own code of conduct and teachers have professional standards. It was queried if the code of conduct would only apply to faith and belief representatives. It was suggested that any issues would be better dealt with by the person's own local authority and the local SAC as opposed to WASACRE.

The draft code will be considered at WASACRE’s AGM in June and feedback from SACs is welcomed prior to the meeting.  It was agreed that this feedback should be sent to WASACRE.

i.                 Target – setting and priorities

ii.                How to monitor and provide feedback on Collective Worship

iii.             Resources for schools for Non-Religious Philosophical Conviction (NRPC) beliefs.

The establishment of a Forward Work/Action Plan was suggested.  This item to be placed on the agenda for the next meeting with a view to setting short, medium and long term goals for SAC.  The RVE Adviser agreed to share some examples from other SACs as a basis for discussion.

11^th June 2025 at 3.00pm

10^th September 2025 at 3.00pm

3^rd December 2025 at 3.00pm

4^th March 2026 at 3.00pm

Noted.